Well, guess we can discuss this now here. :P
My suggestion is just to make this the default! Always scramble the team order!

If we're talking about pure-hardcore-competition mode, probably used in tournaments, the option "don't scramble turns order" can be added as a mode since those kind of games are probably around only 0.000001% of all the rounds played.

i wouldnt set it as default, were doing a gamecheme right now where the 1st, second and third player always has to play the same role (first has to catch the prisoner with many builders, second has to get him out, third has to wait till he can get out all the way till armageddon comes and hes out or not...

I would suggest a button for that, wouldnt be too hard

What about everyone that doesn't ever realize this happens? I didn't for a while and i bet most people never realized that and kept getting their butts kicked by the same smartass (that do no share that the game works like that) over and over again on the 1st round.
Plus if you add a dice, people might click it more than once, and cause "ragers" and "rage quitters" to keep placing their teams back into the game and out.
Your games are only other 0.000001% or less Thomas. So that would be 0.000002% of games that use that option, would it justify being a button? What you do even sounds more like a mode in the end to me.

omg, that was just an example...
there may be (or maybe not, if dice will be automatic)many more chemes like that.A button just seems better to me, even if this dice is automatic, how will it be guaranteed, that for another example in tournaments not the same player will begin than in round before??? so Tournaments will be more gumble than before, and not who is better or not...!

OK i just noticed you didn't got my suggestion at all.

My suggestion is:
1) Make it random by default
2) Add a "Game modifier" (under Game Scheme) called "NO TEAM ORDER SCRAMBLE!" or something so that the teams don't get scrambled before the game starts. If people need that option it they just need to activate it!

Besides, we have a "free square" on the modes GUI, it would make it look better. :P

Oh, sorry inu didnt read your first post, ok;)

Better make it with a button. Because how else can you shuffle the teams before the game? For example if the order, which the teams are in, isn't good enough and you want to change it. You can't do this without a button.

Either its random shuffle or no shuffle. Otherwise you could mix teams yourself as well.

I agree, otherwise they'll just keep pressing shuffle until they have the order they want and completely kills the expectation.

Please make it happen!

It is random shuffle, but it's upon request. Mixing teams manually means that you have to remove and add teams in the order you want them. That's ok if you want a strict order. But if you want the order to be random, that can be done only with a button or kind of refresh of the list where each time a random order is displayed. Mixing teams manually is boring (at least for me) especially when you have 5-6 teams and suddenly someone says "Hey, I want to start in the second and not in the fifth round.", which means that you have to remove 4th, 3th and 2nd team, put the new team on place 2, and then add the rest in the list again. Too much work.

The button will allow you to choose from a set of random orders. Let's say player A played as first in game 1, then B,C... In the next game it doesn't matter who will start the game only A mustn't do that. The shuffle button removes the possibility that after shuffling once player A will land on top of the list and start first in the next game, although the others don't want that. So if this happens (it isn't impossible that by random shuffle one thing lands on the same place as before the shuffling), clicking the button will shuffle again.

This is good even for 2-3 teams and shuffling them is a lot faster than doing this manually.

You have to look at the downsides too rbaleksandar:
+ People would very often press it more than once to make the order more "convenient" making the other players angry\annoyed
+ It would *completely* ruin the element of surprise when the game starts
+ Harder to implement because it involves messing around with the frontend and fitting 1 more button somewhere
+ Almost all people wont care if that option is not available because most do not ever know the teams are not shuffled by default like in Worms
+ The button to shuffle would only be useful in technically no situations compared to the total of games played daily
+ The team order will still work like it does now, just needs to be activated in the "Modes"

When I see something like that, I tell the room-creator or I leave if he/she doesn't give a toss...

Agree here.

Adding an option in the settings menu is changing the GUI too.

Many things remain unknown and unused, because people don't ask and don't care.

Depends how you want to play it.

Can't quite get this one...Explain please. Thanks in advance.

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Well, thats when the unwanted problems start, and no wants to go through that 'cause of an idiot room creator, and i'm guessing there are gonna be quite a few smart-as*'s now that everyone knows it's not random by default...

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Ok, then we both agree.

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Well, the GUI already has a free slot there, it will make it look nicer

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This goes back to .1; give knowledge away but make sure to deal with the consequences and that everyone can't bully anyone else with it :P
Did YOU knew the thing was not shuffled by default before i told you?
Do you now remember a few people "scamming" you with the position some times before?

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I want it to be simple and clean, not having to worry if a smart*ss is gonna press a damn button more that once plus ruin the element of surprise.

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My suggestion is:
1) Make it random by default
2) Add a "Game modifier" (under Game Scheme) called "NO TEAM ORDER SCRAMBLE!" or something so that the teams don't get scrambled before the game starts. If people need that option it they just need to activate it!

Added that modifier in HEAD

i think it would be great if however the teamlist is, the teams would be randomly orders automaticly every time you start so you can't just press the random button 'til u get the order you want. that way you can never know wich team is goin to start it it would be fair.

That's the way it's working right now (in dev build): Play order is randomized before the round starts but not in frontend.

Thank you very much for the new function nemo.

Thanks.